Interview Transcript

Interview Date: 08 June 2020

Interviewer: Dr. Justin D Shanks

Interview Participant: Don Doig

 

JS [00:00:00] Well, uh to start, I would just like to chat a little bit about your background and get to know you a little bit better, so um if you could just give us a little bit of a biography. Uh, what's your name? Uh, what is or was your career? What do you like to do uh when you have a little bit of downtime? Uh, where are you from? Where do you live? Those types of things. So um just tell us who you are. 

 

DD [00:00:25] Okay. I'm Don Doig. I was born and raised in Bozeman. Born in 1949. I'm 70. Um, my initial academic training was in biology, immunology and cell physiology. That kind of thing. I dropped out of a PhD program. Dropped out of two of them, actually. And and I've done a number of different things. I've been a professional gourmet chef and I've been a writer and editor and organizer. That sort of thing. 

 

JS [00:01:05] And so thank you, Don, for that. It sounds like you've enjoyed a variety of different things over your professional career. And uh are you in Bozeman currently?

 

DD [00:01:19] Pardon. 

 

JS [00:01:19] Are you in Bozeman presently? 

 

DD [00:01:22] No, I'm in White Sulphur Springs. 

 

JS [00:01:23] Okay and how long ago did you relocate to White Sulphur Springs? 

 

DD [00:01:29] Well, I bounced around western Montana quite a bit. Plus three years in Miami, Florida. But I've lived in White Sulphur Springs for about 10 years. 

 

JS [00:01:40] Okay, great. And uh what brought you to White Sulphur Springs? 

 

DD [00:01:45] Well, I have I have deep family roots in the area, and I was looking for an isolated uh community. And um and with a lot of isolated communities, the real estate values are a better buy than they are in some places, like Bozeman, for instance. So, um so certainly White Sulphur is is a depressed area. Although, that may be changing, but it's it's uh it's had had relatively inexpensive property values. So all of those things combined. I uh I moved over here. 

 

JS [00:02:25] Okay, great. And uh you just mentioned your your deep family roots to White Sulphur Springs, and you have a very interesting surname. And I'm wondering if you could uh talk about your your surname, talk about your relationship uh with Ivan Doig a little bit, if that would be alrite. 

 

DD [00:02:46] Ivan is was my uh um first cousin once removed. His uh his father was my grandfather's brother. My grandfather was Ed Doig.

 

JS [00:03:03] Excellent. And as as I as I have mentioned to you um in some of our correspondents, um a lot of this project is um inspired by uh the writing of Ivan Doig is and particularly interested, actually, in a book that Ivan and Carol Doi co-wrote about um news and information and news consumption. So I'm I'm very thrilled to have you uh you participating and representing the uh Doig family tree in this conversation? So it's great to have you. 

 

DD [00:03:35] Yeah, I have not read the book you just mentioned. I've read most of Ivan's works though. 

 

JS [00:03:41] Yeah. This book is uh is actually the earliest published book from from Ivan and the only book that Ivan and Carol uh co-wrote together under both of their names. Little less well known, but very, very prescient with some of our current uh topics that that are going on with regard to news and media. So I'm excited to dig in and talk more uh with you about news and information. But before we get there, um I'm wondering, you've talked a little bit about White Sulphur and why you moved there and why it's a place that you like to live. But I'm wondering um if you could just for a moment imagine that I'm a friend. I'm thinking about moving to White Sulphur Springs. Um, can you really give me a nice detailed description of what it's like to live there? Uh, what's great about it? What's challenging about it? Really try to paint the picture of White Sulphur Springs for me. 

 

DD [00:04:37] Well, you know, I don't interact a whole lot with the local um community affairs. I have a few friends here, but that's that's about it. The challenges are that uh um is shopping basically. Um I shop in Bozeman and Helena for for most of my shopping, um especially groceries. I have a food intolerance to uh gluten and dairy um and and I'm trying to transition entirely to organic food as well. So the options for those things are pretty limited here. Now, on the other hand, I am a gourmet cook and I have a big self self-sufficient garden. And I live off of wild game substantially. So everything considered, I get by pretty well. 

 

JS [00:05:38] Excellent. 

 

DD [00:05:41] Um, you know I I you know I the fact that White Sulphur is surrounded by mountains was kind of a necessary point. I would not want to live out on the plains. Um and, you know, overall the climate is pretty similar to Bozeman. It's about the same elevation and about the same amount of precipitation. 

 

JS [00:06:05] Great. Thank you for that. And you mentioned that you've been living in White Sulphur for about 10 years. And I'm wondering, how has the community changed uh in that decade or so of time that you've been there? 

 

DD [00:06:18] Well, it hasn't changed a whole lot, although the the it seems to be changing more right now than it has in that there is a large copper mine apparently going in underground copper, and um there is also a hydro plant going in near Martinsdale, which is on the eastern edge of the county. This is bringing more money into the community and the prospects of more people. So um probably um probably housing values are are somewhat increasing. And um uh and and, you know, I don't know how much has changed so far, but um but with the shut downs and all, you know, a lot of the stores were closed, the restaurants and such and bars. I, you know, I don't I don't go to restaurants anymore because of the allergies, but nevertheless, it you know, it makes for an even more depressed town. And once you factor factor out the possible impacts of the mines. Um, there's been a lot of renovation of properties going on around town last couple of years, I've noticed. A lot of older, abandoned, beat up properties have been refurbished and that's an ongoing process. 

 

JS [00:08:03] Great. Thank you, Don. I appreciate you taking the time to really introduce us to to White Sulphur Springs. Uh now that we know a bit more about you and a bit more about your background and your your current community, I'm hoping that 

 

DD [00:08:19] I should I should also point out that um that, you know, Ivan um spent some time in the White Sulphur area. My dad actually spent a large part of his childhood in Ringling and um on my my father's mother's side, they had a homestead just south of White Sulphur near the nine mile Y, those the Shearers. So uh so I'm able and and on my mother's side, they had a homestead on the middle fork of Sixteen Mile Creek. And the Doig original homestead was on um was near the north fork of Sixteen Mile Creek. The basic those are in the middle of nowhere. I mean, they're way back in. 

 

JS [00:09:18] Right. So it sounds like aside from your your decade or so, most recently living in White Sulphur, you have very uh very deep family roots in uh that area and the surrounding areas. 

 

DD [00:09:32] Right. 

 

JS [00:09:33] Excellent. Uh, so now I'd like to shift a little bit to talk about uh information accessibility and chat about your practices and decisions regarding how and where and when you access information. So uh the first question is, how do you currently receive your news? 

 

DD [00:09:54] Well, there is a weekly um newspaper in Meagher County, out of White Sulphur, and I get that once a week and then um as far as my county news, I I access the free online services like KTVQ out of Billings and KLH out of Helena, ARTV out of Great Falls, KBZK out of Bozeman and so on. Um those are for free. And um and I get emails from Great Falls, Billings from those sources. Um the others are are just online. As far as national and international news, I get all my information online. 

 

JS [00:10:52] What types of sources, what what types of sources do uh do you access for your national and international news? 

 

DD [00:11:00] I'm a lifelong libertarian and so I use libertarian information sources, information and analysis. And there's a lot of those. And it's a very active thing that's going on now. And um and that's that's where I get my information. 

 

JS [00:11:21] Great. What about uh orally or face to face? Do you perhaps for more local news, do you chat with anybody face to face to hear what's happening in White Sulphur Springs or some of the surrounding communities? 

 

DD [00:11:34] I have a few friends that I touch base base with some. Yeah, but yeah, just for local news mainly.

 

JS [00:11:44] Okay great, so predominantly it sounds like the the weekly county newspaper, uh some free online services for for both Montana news as well as national and international news. Is that accurate? 

 

DD [00:11:56] Right. Right. I don't I don't pay for any of it. 

 

JS [00:11:59] Okay, great. So now that we we understand where you currently get your news. I'm hoping you can think back as far as you can. And if you can recall your earliest uh memory of consuming news, maybe something when you were a child or as an adolescent, what was your what's your earliest memory of news? 

 

DD [00:12:20] Well, our family used to get the Bozeman Daily Chronicle. So and, you know, and plus, you know, television news. Yes. You know, as was common in that period. 

 

JS [00:12:39] Do you have any, do you have any strong memories that stand out of reading a news particular newspaper article or watching a particular news segment with family or friends or individually?

 

DD [00:12:57] Not not really, I guess. I mean, you know, I mean, when when events happened and major events have happened throughout my life, uh you know early on I suppose, you know, the television would be covering it and the paper would be covering it. So I I picked up on that, I suppose. 

 

JS [00:13:16] Okay, great. Um so thinking about uh when you were younger, your family receiving The Bozeman Daily Chronicle, uh you know, watching um nightly news perhaps on the television, how has your access to news and information from from that period changed to present day where you're getting a lot of your information online? You're getting a lot of it free of charge. You're getting a weekly county newspaper. What what's your access uh like from then until now? How has it changed for you? 

 

DD [00:13:49] Well, I think it's a lot more extensive. And I think a lot more reliable and a lot more details and anything I want is available on the Internet as far as information. If I have a question, it's easy to find the answer. And uh, you know, one of one of the major things that I think has happened in the last 10 years is the explosive growth of natural health news. And so I'm able to access that as well. 

 

JS [00:14:25] Yeah. Certainly, there's, as you mentioned, anything is available on the Internet. And it's it's certainly a lot easier to to chase down answers to questions. Um and since you are relying on the Internet for a lot of your news and information, I'm wondering if you could talk about your Internet access at home. Is it uh fast and reliable or is it spotty and slow or? 

 

DD [00:14:48] Well, it's it's it's pretty um pretty fast and reliable. It's broadband out of its Triangle Cooperatives or I don't know if it's cooperative. Yeah, I think it is. It's um you know, it's the local television company that covers a lot of central Montana. And it's it's fairly reliable. It's broadband. And um and when the power stays on [laughter], um which does does sometimes fails, um it is pretty reliable. 

 

JS [00:15:27] Okay, great. Uh and what about uh social media? Do you use any forms of social media? And if so, what do you use them for? If not, uh why not? 

 

DD [00:15:39] Not at all. I don't trust them. Basically, they're there to harvest information and sell it. And and lie to you at the same time. So, no, I don't I don't and they censor and so I don't have any use for any of it. I mean, there are some alternatives, but I'm just not into it. 

 

JS [00:16:03] Could you. Could you talk about. 

 

DD [00:16:04] The big ones, the big ones. I don't trust and don't like. 

 

JS [00:16:08] Could you talk a little bit about the potential alternate alternatives? 

 

DD [00:16:13] Well, things like Gab and Midshoot and Brighteon, um Midshoot and Brighteon are video sources alternatives to uh YouTube. Gab is an alternative to Twitter. Uh those are the main ones that come to mind. If I were if I were inclined to be involved in something like Twitter, it would be Gab. 

 

JS [00:16:44] And then the big companies you mentioned, YouTube and Twitter, what what are these, some of the other? 

 

DD [00:16:49] Facebook, Facebook, um Google, stay away from Google. Um any any Google products I try to stay away from, although I do have um Chromium, which is not it's based on Chrome, but it's it's an independent, apparently um open source um based somehow on the Chrome platform without being tied to Google, as far as I can tell. 

 

JS [00:17:26] Okay, great. Thanks for that that list of alternatives. Um so now that we we know a little bit about how Don Doig accesses information, uh I'd love to shift to talk about information evaluation and information trustworthiness. Um and as you've alluded to, there's so much information available, uh particularly through online sources. Um so I'm wondering, when you come across a bit of news or piece of information, how do you determine if that information is trustworthy, factual, reliable? 

 

DD [00:18:01] Well, I, I, I generally go to specific sources that I'm familiar with by and large. And there's like I say there's a lot of them and um some of them I get e uh e-mail updates that this is today's offerings and others um there are ways you can access a bunch of them at one time. So one of them is censored.news. You go to that, you get like several, several dozen different um highlights for that day. And you can click on the articles that interest you from different sources. 

 

JS [00:18:41] So on the on the flip side of that, um when you see something and you think it's not reliable or untrustworthy, um how do you make that determination? You know so maybe if you're you're looking away. 

 

DD [00:18:54] I don't I don't generally encounter things like that. I read about them, but I'm not inclined to even read them or analyze them or get into anything stupid. 

 

JS [00:19:07] Okay, great. Um so in recent years, there's been um growing attention or growing use of the phrases fake news or alternative facts. I'm wondering if those are phrases that you've heard of. And if so, what what do they mean? 

 

DD [00:19:22] Sure. I applied to them to things like CNN and MSNBC and New York Times, Washington Post, outfits like that. Those are fake news as far as I'm concerned. 

 

JS [00:19:35] And could you elaborate on that a little bit? Why? Why do you consider those sources fake news? And I guess what is the phrase fake news? 

 

DD [00:19:43] Apparently, that's their business model. Um the truth is it's back in the 50s, the uh the CIA started a program called Operation Mockingbird, and that was to uh to actually in test, rate and control and and purchase and uh all of the major sources of mainstream media. And that's been ongoing um all this time. And they deliberately lie. They deliberately promote narratives which are simply not true. And they're they're designed to enhance the interests of powerful um players in the society, such as Big Pharma, to take an example. If you look at any of the mainstream um television programs. Who is it that's financing them through advertising? Well it's mainly big big pharma. So they are, yeah, he who calls he who pays the piper calls tune. And so um that's what they do. And it's it's a combination of big business funding and and um and all of the special interests associated with big business and big money, as well as the CIA and the deep state interests that that control the whole ball of wax and now they fortunately they have lost control of the flow of information with the Internet. And uh, you know, a great many people have figured that out and now get all of their information from alternative sources on the Internet. And I'm one of those. 

 

JS [00:21:43] So do you do you think fake news is a a widespread problem in news or just with those particular sources, do you think it's a problem? 

 

DD [00:21:54] It's widespread within mainstream media because even even things like, you know, Montana media have affiliates with the with the with the big national um outlets like the big three, original big three, ABC and those and and and CNN and all those, they're all affiliated and so they get their national news from those sources. So it's yeah, it's a it's a it's a it's a problem with all forms of may of what I call mainstream media. I believe you have to go to alternative sources that are independent, and that's what I do. 

 

JS [00:22:43] So with um these alternative sources, do you think fake news, do you anticipate fake news uh to become a problem in these alternative sources, or do you think the independence of these alternative sources uh sort of 

 

DD [00:22:58] Well you have to be careful that there's no no infiltration going on. And but the ones that I have uh kind of settled on for most of my my news on a day to day basis, I'm satisfied that they're pretty straight, straightforward and up and up. 

 

JS [00:23:17] And if if I can just ask you to 

 

DD [00:23:20] There is there is broad agreement actually with a lot of these that I regard as reliable. 

 

JS [00:23:29] So with the uh straightforwardness and the the up and up-idness that you just mentioned, how do you I guess, what's your process of determining if uh something is straightforward? So you said that you have these variety of sources that you have come to trust, which sounds 

 

DD [00:23:45] Well I've been studying this for decades. You know, so I have a deep background in understanding basically what's going on. And um and and uh and usually it's it's pretty well documented. And and if they don't know if they don't know if they're just guessing or they have indications that something might be true, they generally say so. Um and if the documentation seems solid, the you know the documentation is presented, you know. So it's it's it's not like it's a it's a deep, dark secret as to where this information is coming from and what the documentation is. It's pretty much there. So if you have have some questions you could follow up on the links that they're citing and there's a lot of those; the rabbit hole goes pretty deep. You can follow it as deep as you want. 

 

JS [00:24:49] Certainly, so it sounds like um source verifiability and the ability to to track down the various links and and uh the trail of documents is is part of your process or perhaps was part of your process and you've now come to trust those sources through those types of actions. 

 

DD [00:25:08] Right. And if I have any questions, I can always follow the documentation if I'm particularly interested in something. But otherwise, you know, you have to you have to read it and see what what they're saying above about their sources. And if it if it if it generally fits into what I know to be true, it's not not necessarily a huge problem. 

 

JS [00:25:33] Great. Thank you, Don, for that very much. Um now I want to talk about uh information sharing. So after you have accessed a piece of information, uh you're satisfied that it's trustworthy and reliable, um how do you make decisions about what to share uh with other people, either face to face or via email or online or in writing? Um, how do you share information? How do you make those decisions about sharing information? 

 

DD [00:26:04] I mostly share information with select people by e-mails, and if I find um an article, which I find especially interesting to me, I may share it with with with uh several people that I know share those kind of interests or if it's particularly important. Ya know some things are particularly important in my judgment and there's a lot of information out there. So I have to be pretty selective in what I send out, but I'll send out one or two articles a day commonly to uh at least some people. 

 

JS [00:26:45] And and just to reiterate, so the decision to share with a small group, a select group of individuals is based upon either you'll find that information interesting or you anticipate that these other people will find that information interesting, correct? 

 

DD [00:27:01] Right. 

 

JS [00:27:03] Great. So we live in the great state of Montana and I'm wondering if you think 

 

DD [00:27:10] And by the way, I have I have from time to time, not as much lately, but I have from time to time written a fair number of articles. Yeah. Those those have been published and otherwise distributed. So, I mean, there is that too. 

 

JS [00:27:27] So yeah, could you talk talk me through that a little bit? What uh what provided the motivation or the impetus to decide to write the articles? What types of topics um were they about? What types of publications did they appear in?

 

DD [00:27:43] Well, actually the last time I checked, there's a Wikipedia page on me that I didn't post. I have a couple's suspicions as to who did, but I went in and updated the bibliography. So if you're interested, you can you can check that out. I believe it's still there. I haven't checked lately, but um one of the major things was that I'm one of the the two co-founders of the Fully Informed Jury Association and that's a that has um that that that that was formed 30 years ago. And it's still going on. In fact, I'm chairman chairman of the board now um and we have well we have over the decades I'm sure we have contacted millions of people with that information. And many of the articles have been written by me or were written by me in the past so so there's that um and uh oh, jeez, back maybe twelve years ago, something like that. A group of us got together in Bozeman, in the Gallatin Valley, and um published um some uh some newspapers that had had um a variety of articles that I published uh several things in that and I in fact I was one of the associate editors of that. Oh, jeez. Let me let me hang on. Hang on just a second. Let me grab a couple. 

 

JS [00:29:31] Yeah. Great. Thank you. 

 

DD [00:29:33] Okay, well, one of those was from Montana Messenger. The one I grabbed on I'm looking at December 2009 um and then there's the Gallatin Valley Patriot. We also had something that going for a while. So um that's one example. I'm also, you know, the Fully Informed Jury Association had a news newsletter, newspaper, um which um you know, I had a lot of stuff published in that over the decades. Uh, oh jeez. And there's others I mean, but, the uh Wikipedia page actually has a listing of quite a bit of that. 

 

JS [00:30:27] Great I will definitely take a look at that. And just as a quick follow up, I'm wondering um what types of topics or subjects um did you write about the in the newspapers rather than so now you're doing a lot of your, I guess, very targeted sharing of information with a small group of people, whereas the newspapers potentially had a broader audience. So are there different types of topics that you're writing about in the email vs were writing in the? 

 

DD [00:30:56] Generally speaking political um yea and certainly jury issues would be one. Um so uh you know broadly political let's just say that because there would be a variety of things. 

 

JS [00:31:16] Okay, great. Thanks, Don. Uh so I'm wondering

 

DD [00:31:19] By the way, I also um within the last um two or three years, wrote a cookbook and got that published. 

 

JS [00:31:30] Oh, fantastic what what, I'll look at the Wikipedia page, but what's the what's the title of the cookbook? 

 

DD [00:31:41] Um In Don's Montana Kitchen. Um gluten free and dairy free gourmet cooking from the edge of the wilderness. 

 

JS [00:31:51] Great. Thanks. I'll I'll I'll take a look for that. Uh sounds very fascinating. Uh and so the last question about information sharing is I'm wondering if you think information is shared differently uh by people in Montana than information is shared by people in other parts of the country. Do Montanans have different information sharing behaviors than you think people in the rest of the country? 

 

DD [00:32:18] Well, I don't. I use the e-mail and and so do people everywhere, as far as I know. I mean and and people in Montana use social media like everywhere else, except except me [laughter]. 

 

JS [00:32:37] So that's that's probably a good assessment that most of information is shared electronically, digitally versus via e-mail or social media. What do you think about uh the topics that people in Montana are sharing versus topics that people in other parts of the country are sharing? You think they're similar topics, different topics? Why or why not? 

 

DD [00:32:59] Well, like, I couldn't speak to the general population there. As far as the people I follow, you know, I suppose it's similar. Now, but then that's that's going to be a mi minority, the whole population. 

 

JS [00:33:20] So, so like minded people, no matter if they're in Montana or Maine or Massachusetts or Nevada, uh if they have similar philosophies, similar perspectives, they're going to share similar types of information using similar methods. Is that is that a fair assessment? 

 

DD [00:33:39] Yes, I think so. 

 

JS [00:33:40] Okay, great. Thanks, Don. Um so shifting gears again a little bit um as Montana, as the rest of the world in the last couple of months has been dealing with uh changes in personal behaviors, business behaviors, political behaviors uh resulting from the the global health crisis related to Coronavirus to Covid-19. Um and it this really took root in Montana in early March of this year and required some shut downs from the government and encouraged different individual behaviors. So I'm wondering if the Coronavirus Covid-19 and associated changes since early March in Montana have caused you or encouraged you to consume more information, more news or less news or different types of news. Um just talk a little bit about how, if at all, uh your information and news behaviors have changed since Coronavirus became a more pressing topic in Montana. 

 

DD [00:34:46] Well, I went to some some effort to understand that topic pretty well. Um, which which I have. I, I think I think there's elements of a scam to it. Uh I mean, it's it it is it is a serious basically a serious flu that appears to have been weaponized. But, um you know, and I I tried to understand it as much as I can about that, including alternative treatments for which there are several. And and um so I know quite a bit about that, actually. 

 

JS [00:35:30] And where have you been uh gathering information? Where have you been doing your your learning and information gathering about the Coronavirus Covid-19 topic? 

 

DD [00:35:41] Uh from sources dealing with natural and alternative medicine, as well as some some political sites that reference, you know, the alternative health sites as well. 

 

JS [00:36:03] Uh would you mind sharing any of the the names of those the sources or sites? 

 

DD [00:36:07] Well, natural news is one naturalnews.com. Um mercola.com. Um oh, there those are those are would probably be the main two alternative health sites that I that I have have followed. Lewrockwell.com has had quite a bit. 

 

JS [00:36:34] Okay. Thank you. Uh so you uh one of my questions is how do you understand or what is your understanding of Covid-19 and the Coronavirus. You mentioned just a moment ago that um you've taken some some great effort to to understand it and the complexity of it and alternative treatments. And um you mentioned that uh, in summary, your your understanding is it's a serious flu that appears to have been weaponized. And there are some variety of alternative treatments. And I'm just wondering if you can elaborate on those points a little bit. 

 

DD [00:37:07] Yeah. Well um researchers in the United States, in Canada and China collaborated um on taking a Coronavirus, which is basically the flu virus, and splicing in um parts of the genome from the HIV virus can make it more more infe um infectious and running it through bats, which increase the lag time on um on um infectivity so that people could transmit it while they were asymptomatic. That seems to have been going on. Um unbelievably, the NIH actually funded some of that crap that was going on in China. So uh after after they were told they couldn't do it in the United States anymore, they transferred some funding to China, to the Wuhan lab. Um what was the other question? What are the treatments? 

 

JS [00:38:19] Yeah, so you mentioned that you've been doing some reading, some research about alternative treatments. And you you um briefly mentioned some of them. But I'm just curious if you could just talk about what you learned with respect to alternative treatments that you've read about. 

 

DD [00:38:37] Well, hydroxychloroquine. It's an off patent um pharmaceutical, which is apparently effective in especially in combination with zinc. Um it has been used for um parasites and other things for like 70 years. It's fairly safe, um but it's off patent and so there's not much money to be made from it. And so Big Pharma does not like it. You know, they have they have things that they they want to make money off of this and so they they disparage any any natural medicine. As um as uh, I think it was Citibank said um 'curing people is not a sustainable business model.' So um hydroxychloroquine plus zinc and if if it if you don't want to get a prescription, then things like quercetin with zinc or uh red algae plus zinc have the same kind of effect. Also, ivermectin, which is another anti parasite, seems to be effective. Um IV vitamin C in in the hospital setting, which is effective. Um and also, if you if you take sufficient vitamin D to be to not be deficient in vitamin D, which is in the winter especially, people tend to be. So I do that. Resveratrol has has some anti viral effects. Uh licorice has anti viral effects that is thought to be effective. Um, what else? Probably oxygen therapy. Ozone therapy can be effective against Coronavirus. Um, the ventilator uh use of ventilators has actually turned out to be a bad thing. It actually damages the lungs when when, when what is going on they're actually um Coronavirus seems to affect red blood cells and and affects their oxygen capacity. So there's a shortage of oxygen in the system. That's more of the problem. And a ventilator doesn't address that; it address addresses other problems. And and used in that context, it can be harmful. And yet that's what the medical establishment has been doing. Anyways, I think that's the main things that come to mind. 

 

JS [00:41:32] So it sounds like you've been doing a fair bit of reading on this topic. And you mentioned a couple of sources a moment ago, a couple of websites about natural and alternative treatment approaches to Covid-19 to Coronavirus and I'm wondering if this is information that um you're going out and searching for or if this is information that you're receiving from other people or via e-mail or publications? 

 

DD [00:42:02] Well, it comes in on a lot of the um the e-mail sources that I have subscribed to, like, you know, like the ones I just mentioned. They come in my e-mail inbox every day. 

 

JS [00:42:15] Okay. So it's it's less you have. 

 

DD [00:42:17] And they have links and so I can I can follow the links. And, you know, in the course of my ordinary reading, I come across a lot of this stuff. 

 

JS [00:42:29] Okay. So it's uh you get sort of a digest the email and then it has links that allow you to read more or look at some of the sources for these these pieces of information? 

 

DD [00:42:41] Well, it is some of the the e-mails I get there is actually fairly, fairly detailed articles coming in directly, directly in that form. 

 

JS [00:42:53] Okay, great. Thanks, Don. I appreciate you providing so much detail on that question and that topic. Um we've reached the end of our our formal question set, but I just want to sort of open up the floor to you and ask if you have any questions for me or if you have something that you thought we were going to talk about and we didn't talk about that you might want to share. 

 

DD [00:43:18] Boy, it seems have been pretty a pretty comprehensive. I may have managed to remember most things I should have talked about. 

 

JS [00:43:30] Okay, great. Thanks, Don. Well, it's been a pleasure to chat with you and I appreciate your time. And I appreciate your your willingness to share your your perspectives and your information with me and uh

 

DD [00:43:47] Yeah well. 

 

JS [00:43:47] Go ahead, sorry. 

 

DD [00:43:47] And thank you. 

 

JS [00:43:48] Yeah, certainly.